Yara wanted the Ironborn to be granted independence in season 6, yet by the end of season 8 she kinda forgot about that and was completely cool with being ruled by Bran. Or a discussion kickstarter? But that didnt work either, and like any many of his word, he followed through: He burned Mance alive at the stakeat least until Jon shot Mance with an arrow to put him out of his misery. With Daenerys and Aegon Targaryen now entering the fray, theres no chance hell make it to the Iron Throne. Bran bookending the series would be good. He recognizes the power of fire a lot and uses it to see his future through Melisandre. It was knighthood he had always dreamed of; bright armor and streaming banners, lance and sword, a warhorse between his legs. But he is definitely aware that Melisandre enters Storm's End to assassinate Ser Cortnay Penrose. Why must he waste his days listening to old men speak of things he only half understood? You put crippled in quotes as if I said that. All these things you mention would work much better in book form not TV. Shemom: Its becoming clearer who the best contender for the next King of the Andals and the First Men should be. Because youre broken, a voice inside reminded him. Lord Wyman: Thats adorable. Iron Stannis, the show Stannis, the Stannis everyone hates, hell, any other King or Queen would have his tongue and his head. Initially, when Melisandre suggests that they should sacrifice Shireen to the Lord of Light he is sickened and disgusted. My guess is Brans going to be very brief. Real enemies on every side and half the realm in flames, and Renly sits here playing at war like a boy with his first wooden sword. The explanation could, of course, be that Martin simply chose to write the passage that way. 2022 BDG Media, Inc. All rights reserved. If there are differences between little Bran and grim Stannis, one of them is certainly in being loved. Michelle Jaworski is a staff writer and TV/film critic at the Daily Dot. He was the elder of King Robert I Baratheon's two younger brothers, the youngest being Lord Renly Baratheon. This change in no way makes anything inherently more stable. A green tent, candles, a woman screaming. Stannis was grateful enough to knight his savior, but he couldn't forget Davos's years as a smugglerand so to punish him, Stannis had Davos's left fingers cut off to the joint. MotherofWolves: Will Stannis become king? During a quieter moment in season 2, Stannis had wondered if Davos carried the finger bones he chopped off as punishment for smuggling for good luck. Its not necessary for Martin to include his eye color because his sword and relationship to shadows are more important to his character than the fact that he has blue eyes. So Lord Flowerpot from the Reach was not really going to get into it. Show me Stannis, Lord, she prayed. Asha is his capture and Deepwood Motte is restored to House Glover He had made. for the most part, has excellent continuity. In fact, it was Sansa who pointed out that Bran couldnt have children, which is a mark against him being king. Furious and humiliated, Stannis imprisons his best friend. Stannis! Dany and Stannis have similar journey but Bran and Stannis is reaching in my opinion. Thats a logical call, but Dorne seceding would undercut Sansas Queen in the North storyline. The general consensus among fans is that the man in the vision is Stannis, with his lack of shadow being a reference to Melisandre using Stannis to create a shadow assassin in A Clash of Kings. If it is a given that Bran will become the high king, then dying wont be in his cards. And yet, in last nights episode The Dance of Dragons, Stannis betrays his only daughter. Does Stannis Baratheon win the war? Indeed, many fans believe George R. R. Martin may give Stannis a surprising role in The Winds of Winter, the long-awaited sixth installment in the Song of Ice and Fire book series. He is the younger brother of King Robert Baratheon and the older brother of Renly Baratheon. Bran is loved, no argument can be made otherwise. Game of Thrones the TV show is over, but the book seriesA Song of Ice and Fireremains unfinished, and theres no reason not to speculate on what might happen in the books to come, as well as what elements from the show might happen in the books. Renly also didn't seem to believe the illegitimacy and regarded it as rather convenient for Stannis. Netflix is under fire for announcing MCU for serial killers from Dahmer showrunner Ryan Murphy, The police had to be called because literally grown-a**, middle-aged women were fighting over a cup that said flour on it: Video about TJ Maxxs Dunners goes viral, I pay almost $8 for my chai latte. She even went so far as to stage a farcical recreation of Azor Ahai forging the famed magical blade Lightbringer as if that would make Stannis the legit savior figure. For years, readers have examined the associations of the names of each Stark childs direwolf as reflective of the child. Only house with access to magic (if you don't count dragons as magic). Were only halfway through season 5 and its already proving to be Stannis the Manniss best season yet. When have they everlovedme? Stannis Baratheon was the Lord of Dragonstone, the younger brother of King Robert Baratheon, and older brother of Renly Baratheon . Their time together was the only time we saw Stannis show any emotion. Until then, here are seven times Stannis proved to us he was an awful person. . I think it is Bran that will go into exile and become the new King beyond the Wall. Assuming that this is not coincidental there is one large difference between Stannis and Bran as magical figures. With the failures of Jaime and Dany, season 8 felt deeply cynical about the possibility of human good. Stannis should be technically be the king but he wasn't and until he actually won the iron throne it would be as much his as it was Daenerys'. It all depends on whether you have a positive or negative outlook. But until that happens well have to take what clues we can from Martins text, informed by whats happened on the show, and make our best guesses. At this point in Game of Thrones, most fans have some opinion about who should ultimately take the Iron Throne. He attacked Deepwood Motte and took it back from Asha and Ironborn. A Game of Thrones/House of the Dragon Community for Breaking News, Casting, and Commentary, Pat's a husband, dad, and dog-walker (two dogs with seven legs between them.) the Mountain. Who really has the strongest claim to being heir to the Driftwood Throne of House Velaryon? Stannis was a reasonable man, after all. There is NOTHING in Brans story shown in the previous 72 episodes of GOT that provided any basis for him to be king. Despite his low-born status, Stannis Baratheon's most trusted adviser is Ser Davos Seaworth. The Night King was the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. The sole redeeming quality that Stannis possessed was his love for his daughter Shireen. This is hyperbole, right? Rickon being used to deny Stannis claim to the North would be a replay of Renly being used to deny Stannis claim to the throne. The Winds of Winter: George R.R. If Bran had a son (I dont think he can maybe hell adopt some nephew if Sansa one day has a baby) to be his heir, that kid might end up ruling as the next king. Stannis is trapped in a loveless marriage with Selyse Baratheon. The ethics of the Seven Kingdoms considers kingslaying a major taboo, one of the unforgivable sins that the gods are sure to punish. O. Not exactly what we'd call letting him down gently. 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If Bran had a son (I dont think he can maybe hell adopt some nephew if Sansa one day has a baby) to be his heir, that kid might end up ruling as the next king. Like any good king, Stannis rewards those who show their loyalty and punishes those who defy him or break the law. When the dust . Just my opinion, of course. and this is Tyrions moment. Already he works with the ravens, since you can no longer climb to the rookery. Your people will not love you if you take from them the gods they have always worshiped, and give them one whose very name sounds queer on their tongues., Stannis stood abruptly. Men crowded shoulder to shoulder on the benches. I appreciate your interest, and I hope you enjoy the read when you get the time. In relation to the show and this theory, when does this dream begin? Even with the rules on his side, he's had to fight for everything he's ever gotten. Rickon has the same ancient (and probably magical) blood of the First Men that Bran has, and blood magic is a thing in this world. As Robert Baratheon died without legitimate issue, he is the rightful King of the Andals and the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm. I havent the time to read through it now but I will definitely come back to do so and maybe even comment. Keep reading, Samwell Tarly, indeed. (Ill get back to you, and I do appreciate the feedback and your support. Did Stannis Baratheon Want to Become King of the 7 kingdomsin Game of Thones / A Song of Ice and FireKing Stannis / Melisandre art by - John Matson for Fanta. We'll give Cressen this one, but the maester forgot to mention that his lord is very harsh, too, which might not be the best combination of character traits. It doesnt involve the representatives of each kingdom voting for the same ruler. the advantage for the houses in chosing their king instead of getting a royal baby announced they will have to bow to bc tradition is clear in a country devastated by wars. With with one grammatical correction, he became everyones favorite grumpy would-be king again. Stannis Baratheon Deserves Better Robert Baratheon Bashing Les Martell sont au nombre de quatre, jusqu' la mort d'Elia. Bran and Stannis do not just have seemingly blessed older brothers to measure up to; they were in the shadow of popular kingly brothers. I am sorry you have to deal with those that cannot disagree with you in a respectful or reasonable manner. Stannis I Baratheon was King of Westeros and Lord of the Seven Kingdoms after claiming the throne during the War of Five Kings, re-instating the Baratheons as the ruling dynasty. She came to Dragonstone because Stannis wife Selyse was a true believer in Rhllor. A Clash of Kings, Bran III. The best leaders are those who are beloved by their people and are interesting and charismatic. Thank you, not only for the compliment, but for your skepticism. The younger Baratheon certainly slighted his duty by not supporting Stannis's claim. Though they are on much better footing now, I doubt that Davos will remain on Stannis' side once he discovers that Princess Shireen has been murdered. No way would they object to Bran being made king. Ending the line of succession is breaking the wheel. Robert I Baratheon Biographical information Status Deceased Born 252 AC at Storm's End Died 298 AC (aged 46) in King's Landing Mortally wounded by a wild boar Political information Allegiance House Baratheon of Storm's End (by birth) House Baratheon of King's Landing (founded) House Arryn (formerly, ward) House Targaryen (formerly, vassal) Bran will apparently be a good ruler because hes inhuman, which is a pretty depressing message. Thank you. I like the new theory that Bran is Dreaming himself as King of the Six Kingdoms. He still has a ways to go when it comes to giving fatherly hugs, but hes still the Mannis in our books. But if Jon is going into exile at the end of the series, he doesnt become king, so thats not quite right either. King Joffrey I Baratheon was the eighteenth king to rule from the Iron Throne and the second king of the Baratheon dynasty. Besides, no one had any better suggestions. You are very welcome, Mother. Why was it so easy for the lords at the Dragonpit meeting to agree on Bran being king? This was similar to the Great Council that screwed things up in the past during Targaryen History, when there was a succession question to be answered. i think the point that made all of the lords and ladies at the pit come to the conclusion that Westeros has had enough of people claiming(!) Thats certainly not enough to establish a strong literary connection between these two groups, but all of the brothers have associations with their respective counterparts. They have a history of being independent and different from the other kingdoms, but in one fell swoop, they just blindly go along with being ruled by Bran even though the North just stated in front of everyone that they will be independent without permission? For example: If Stannis is Melisandres initial candidate for Azor Ahai/King hes the first part of the threefold reveal, and false. Bran had the first chapter in the Novels. Its a total Stark coup. Wouldnt Melisandre know? I have twice that number here, Renly said, and this is only part of my strength. Brans eldest brother Robb was named after Robert Baratheon, Ned Starks best friend from Storms End. Whats interesting is that those two details are more than enough for readers to deduce that the man is Stannis. But if the show began talking about how the Three Eyed Raven was really Bloodraven was really the sorcerous Brynden Rivers and his magical backstory it would vibe with book readers and not with show only watchers, because the show had laid no groundwork for that. TheReal_Rebel Members 681 Being right is good, but being wrong isnt that bad either. Despite her disability, Stannis treated his only child with reverence and pride. Recalling the incident, Stannis tells Davos: "It was justice" and "[a] good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good. I still dream about it every night and I think that Mr. Benioff and Mr. Weiss wrote it beautifully. His unpopularity made it easier for Renly to gather support, since Renly could make the case that Stannis was an unsuitable candidate for king, based entirely on his brothers personality. One more time. Yet when he reached the dais, with every eye upon him, Osha and Hodor undid his straps and buckles, lifted him off Dancers back, and carried him to the high seat of his fathers. #GameofThrones #StannisBaratheon #FanVidFeed #StannistheMannis #TheOneTrueKing #Edit #Tribute"Few of the birds that Aemon had sent off had returned as yet. Renly Baratheon was the youngest of the three brothers of House Baratheon and Lord of Storm's End. . All of this got back to me after last night first encounter of both in HBO. But there are similarities, some so specific that its hard to imagine that theyre entirely coincidental. And my wife wants to watch THE EXPANSE. Her advice led to his defeat during "The Battle of the Blackwater" and as of last night the death of his only heir. He knows all the things that unite the people of Westeros. During his tenure as the prince of Winterfell, Bran received a similarly-described individual with a specific color palette, who would support the magical initiation that had started with Brans crow-haunted dreams. King Tommen, while a while lot nicer than his older brother Joffrey, just isnt cutting it. So I feel alike to hear some opinions on the matter about the nature of his relationship. He gives into Melisandre and burns the girl alive. As has already been pointed out to you, yes, the system of government may not be perfect, but there is no such thing. One doesnt have to ask anyone other than Stannis for this confirmation: You have given me an honored place at your table. We got our own to worry about. And, if we accept Lady Catelyns observation: childishness. Show me your king, your instrument. I would have also loved it if Arya and Meera would have teamed up on the battlements in the battle at Winterfell (the long night). In regards to the Unsulled, why did Greyworm wait for Jons familys approval to kill him before killing him? Davos also had lots of leadership experience. Bran: How unfortunate for you. Stannis was marching south into peril, the king who carried the fate of the world upon his shoulders, Azor Ahai reborn. A coup is a violent and illegal seizure of power. Stannis Baratheon is the new king on the block and the middle child of the Brothers Baratheon. Its even possible that Stannis could turn into a White Walker and still be taken down by Daenerys in A Dream of Spring. Stannis knows more than he's letting on and instead of being honest about it, he tries to use his "power" to get Lord Commander Snow to comply. Stannis: Thank you, Ser Ten of House Bears. Since his brother King Robert's death in the first season of Game of Thrones , Stannis has been hell-bent on claiming the crown for himself. and this is actually what all of the houses and regions and lords and ladies need most after all the years of bleeding. One of them is actually a magical figure (Bran) and one of them (Stannis) is not. All his garb was green, even to the leather of his boots, and when he came closer Bran saw that his eyes were the color ofmoss, though his teeth looked as white as anyone elses. Or for a mental examination. But its probably not ideal to stop thinking about the story to come. The low stone steps balked Dancer only for a moment. You should try watching Game of Thrones sometime; I think you might like it. (The Battle of Winterfell hasnt happened yet in the narrative ofA Song of Ice and Fire, so we dont know either.). Calling it certainly a take is fine, but why is it wrong as a point of comparison? WHATS YOUR FAVORITE SCI-FI MOVIE? updated May 15, 2015 + View Interactive Map Stannis Barathen is the Lord of Dragonstone. On account of the revelation of Robert's supposed children's true parentage, Stannis declares himself the rightful King after Robert's death as his rightful heir, and begins a campaign to take the Iron Throne. Both Robb and Robert rebelled against injustice from Kings Landing, and both became kings. Thank you for reading it and commenting . If the last two book are ever published and I read the series, Ill be looking for the paragraphs you quoted. His parents were Lord Steffon Baratheon and Cassana Estermont. The first thing he does is killing his brother, using Dark Forces powered by Fire. None of them know what a Three-Eyed Raven is nor do they have any connection to the Old Gods up North. She covers entertainment, geek culture, and pop culture and has covered everything from the Sundance Film Festival, NYFF, and Tribeca to New York Comic Con and Con of Thrones. Stannis of the House Grammarnazi #GameofThrones, Of course Stannis is a grammar nazi. But things changed for both Stannis and Bran, when to their respective courts came colorful characters. Morality first takes a backseat when it comes to removing Renly. After suffering a devastating setback he once again turns to Melisandre. Most of those captured during the battle bend the knee to Joffrey, including men sworn to Dragonstone. So when Shireen asked Stannis if hes ashamed of her (due to her greyscale), he couldve easily gone the route of Selyse, who openly shows her disdain for something that happened to the girl as an infant. . While the swords and dragonglass will do their job, they alone wont win a war. Just likes opining about the show. Due to these different ethnic, legal, and political factors, the Dornishmen are very independently minded, with a stronger sense of national identity than many of the other Seven Kingdoms. Game of Thrones Star Iain Glen Joins the Con of Thrones Special Guest Lineup! Brans adorable. the throne was: Edmures try of an application speech and Sansa shutting him down. So we can see that Stannis's moral ground has gotten shaky, even if it has not completely collapsed beneath him. But, Rickons impact on the overall narrative does not seem promising. Thank you for the article. Patrick Sponaugle: You put crippled in quotes as if I said that. As the Bran and Tyrion exchange was so seminal to the future, one would reasonably expect that we would have heard the exchange. 10 Worthy: He Was Robert's Rightful Heir Perhaps this is why the resolution of the Long Night failed to deliver to some of the shows watchers. Because they would be literally telling the audience what we already know thats lazy writing to have ten minutes of Bran recapping his Journey to Tyrion. Stannis I ruled from 303-334AC and is most remembered for casting aside the Faith of the Seven and instating R'hllor as the official religion of the Seven . This conversation was also the reason why Tyrion later proposed Bran as King. Stannis never wanted to be King, but he /has/ to be because he is the rightful . . Later, Melisandre encounters Arya again and sends her out on her final mission, to kill the Night King. Whereas Bran seems more like the real deal. He even allowed Jon and Tormund to take his ships to Hardhome. That conversation would have had to contain something new about Bran and/or new about Tyrion. Stannis Baratheon becomes King, and needs an heir By Ser Dips A lot, March 1, 2019 in The World of Ice and Fire Start new topic Ser Dips A lot Members 71 Posted March 1, 2019 If Stannis Baratheon manages to secure the Iron Throne and defeats the Lannister-Tyrell alliance, what would his next move be in terms of heirs? here they sit in the ruins the last candidate left as sort of the games final outcome, and forward comes this guy who has obviously spent some years under a rock. It did somewhat in the show that began and ended beyond the wall. Because of his loyalty, Stannis promises Devos the position of Hand of the King when he takes the Iron Throne. Men respect Stannis, even fear him, but precious few have ever loved him. Personality-wise, he's a bit of a stern fellow. With that said, Stannis may not be aware of how Renly died. this is why they agree on a king without blood on his hands and with no visible intention of spilling blood. 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