Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei) by directive 5 April 1922. It is curious that the subject converted LP.08 holster, however, lacks the horizontal stitch line that secures the bottom edge of the holster body inner liner found on all observed artillery LP.08 holsters, original and converted. view 2 and Spain controlled two small mountainous sections of Northern Morocco that were separated by a bay. What magazine variation is proper for your Luger P.08? I own a u suffix luger with a blank toggle. - Kommando Wuertzburg, Kraftfahr-Sonderabteilung, Das geistige Rstzeug fr seine Umtsausbung muss er so vllig besitzen, das ser jederzeit das Rechte trifft. Ulle these re-regulations have been scrutinized when processing the second application and have made extensive changes necessary in some sections. If the width of the sight blade sliding base is too wide, it will bind in the muzzle protector collar slot. RIA has no less than 19 rare Krieghoff Lugers including commercial and Luftwaffe military contract guns. This would account for the Luftwaffe acceptance stamp. Simply a guard at a warehouse. 2866 is pictured in two views, one with the Xs removed and the other enhanced, both with the intent of identifying the markings. Pictured are multiple views of the four brass studs and their dimensions used with the subject holster. two-step attachment process, requiring 1) a threaded, slotted, circular Based on the ratio proportion of the three rounds next to the muzzle protector, indicates that the pictured muzzle protector is the smaller or shorter length spring-loaded variation 1 example, not the variation 2 longer length, not spring-loaded, 4mm; excellent bore, 5'' barrel insert for Luger pistols chambered in .30 Luger (7.65mm Parabellum), two known examples of a muzzle protector used by the Wehrmacht or German army. I am interested in the following symbols on the bottom side of the magazine, too. HIPO was organized under - and quite similar to -the Gestapo: Some uniformed to be visible, some civil dressed working in secrecy. the same style holster pictured with a 1920 chamber stamped commercial/Army/Police Luger 70319. 1908/13 five-digit s/n commercial-military-police Luger. that the Schutzpolizei had a military character. Pictured are the cover, page 1 and rear cover of a rare 1949 Berlin, German Police manual for the Landespolizeischule Erfurt or State Police School, Erfurt. 2. by von thoma 07 May 2016, 02:26, Post Shown is an apparently cold police officer in front of a Weimar era Polizeiwache or Police Station with the final, second pattern design police holster. 13. Stay in the know. The subject WaAJL16 stamped Police style holster is the first one of two noted examples with the second WaAJL16 stamped holster being a P.08 Army style holster which has generated much collector speculation and opining. An examination of the P. Braunleder Cln cleaning rod pouch/sleeve brass stud shows a completely different shape of style and size of either of the two different lower and upper brass stud shapes of the subject cut-back Artillery to Police holster. I could not get the other proof mark to enlarge enough to really see what it is, but with that "L" to the right of it, it is a German Police proof mark. The ERMA variation 2 unit also uses a Luger 1936 First Year after Sneak Codes. when raising the height of the cleaning rod pouch sleeve by adding a piece of leather, at the time simply removed or did not add the lower brass stud, extending the longer section, lower leather piece to where it covered the existing brass stud location. The instruction manual is pictured and other interesting details are described in TBLAP, VIII, Chapter 19, Page 1297, Fig. It is also pictured as part of a police grouping consisting a period 1928 dated Police manual titled: 1928 Nr.7,1 Vorschrift fr die Waffenausbildung der Shutzpolizei or 1928 Nr.7,1 Regulations for the weapons training of the Police and an excellent condition example of the earliest new manufacture, pre-1925 first pattern, Weimar era Police Luger holster along with a 1929 Police Luger, rear gripstrap marked L.W.58 (Landjgerei Wiesbaden, weapon number 58) with original, unmodified magazine . A first glance through the new evidence that became available to me does not change my opinion as stated above. 33. By the 19th century, disputes over the use of Fraktur or Antigua typeface became more heated and lasted until the middle of the 20th century. Also, recently in Strafrecht (Criminal Law) z. L. significant upheavals took place. 46 of these got executed in the years 1946-50 by firing squadrons of the Danish police. This interference issue varies from barrel to barrel, curiously, to both police and non-police P.08 9mm Lugers, depending on the width of the sight blade sliding base. Opinion 1: I have come across a very nice WW1 style holster that has some unusual markings. The magazine has a blued tube and aluminum base. K.W.K. Pictured is a brown leather 1934 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst L police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 6710; view 1 and view 2. There are many possible combinations of 1074." or Schultzpolizei Mnsterwith pistol number 10742and post 1934 by adding a magazine safety. That will teach me not to depend on my memory! The blade was shortened from 17 inches to 13 inches. All Luger pistols, produced by DWM after 1922 and until 1928(?) This example is a very rare 1943 dated military contract piece in 9mm, one of just 300 produced that year. out and what appears to be a Nazi issue number 522 added to the scabbard metal throat and bayonet handle cross-bar. Here are the rare Lugers (PHOTOS). Pictured is another modified example. We received more rescued Lugers from Canada this week! Most of the Police guns in this range report an eagle/WaA66 acceptance stamp on the right receiver (this stamp is not reported before the, 13 Police reports indicate a complete WaA66 proof and inspection suite, with, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Regimental markings on a 1916 P08 Luger - Arms and other weapons - The Great War (1914-1918) Forum. On later production guns, matching numbered magazines enhance value. 19-130 text caption Sturgess specifically states that the cleaning rod pouch of the pictured cut-back artillery to police holster, currently of the LOB collection, was modified to carry the police cleaning rod with added brass stopper, which is inaccurate as the police brass stop cleaning rod with a seven ring wooden handle cannot be inserted past the added, upper leather cleaning rod pouch section, securing cover flap brass stud as the bell-shaped, rather large 13 m/m diameter brass stopper, permanently affixed to the much smaller 5.5 m/m diameter of the steel cleaning rod, engages the protruding internal metal retaining lip of the added cleaning rod pouch brass stud. Note the non-standard vertical location of added metal belt buckle and strap/keeper cover flap holster, the subject cut-back artillery LP.08 holster to P.08 holster police marked, the bottom edge of the holster body inner liner, Pictured is a WW1 P08 army holster modified to a Police holster in the 1920s, whereas other identified, non-holster Hannover markings, such as Police P08s. 3. eBay Auction, 1933 Paul Goldner Halle a. S. holster, Has been dyed black long ago. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in When identified, either gold or silver, some dated and maker marked, these Prussian State Police belt buckles are described as officer belt buckles and this is somewhat supported as many pictures exist of Weimar Police with ordinary belt buckles. If it is made after 1918it is a reproduction. 127; view 1, Collectors tend to err toward a variation. view 2 and For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Included with the lot is a black leather flap holster (converted from Artillery to Police configuration, renumbered to match pistol, extensive hand . The reworking ends in May 1921. the police cleaning rod was used in conjunction with a Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector attached to the P.08 sight band/block, many collectors and dealers are not German Police Lugers and their markings 1918-1958 by Edward B. Tinker and Dwight Gruber; 2012 Furthermore, later style, purportedly Magdeburg Depot rework Mg10 Stick Wing eagle stamps have been identified on the rear frame of P08 Lugers that are much smaller than the earlier and larger Weimar eagle style E/Mg10 stampings of the 41 dated WwMg/41 and E/Mg10 P08 holsters and of the subject Police holster. locking the two-piece assembly in place. As to whether any police Lugers were used in caliber 7.65 mm is uncertain, however, one example pictured in Luger Variations by Harry Jones 1959, page 291 titled: 1920 POLICE WITH CHAMBER MARKINGS with the claim that during police service the Sear Safety Luger was chambered for the 7.65 m/m cartridge. period and evaded restrictions placed on them. Police Lugers is a work of research by Dwight Gruber and Edward Tinker that has taken innumerable hours over five years to tell the tale of the history and evolution of the police in Germany, specifically about their usage of the German P08 (Luger pistol). that the German police exceeded the limit of 150,000 by 30,000 men and (non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. This is a 9mm Luger manufactured by DWM for the Riff Tribe in Morocco. It is uncertain how long the holster remained in the pre-1928 first conversion, shortened LP.08 police pattern as the balance of the changes that constitute the second conversion are unique to this holster, starting with the removal of the up-strap, cover flap keeper and brass stud, plugging the cover flap stud anchor hole, and replacing the original artillery up-strap with a non-standard for a police holster, originally black paint/enamel coated metal belt buckle, keeper and strap cover flap closure. In regard to Police manuals, this language change is first noted in a 1941 Police manual versus the apparent last use of the Fraktur font in a 1940 police manual. 2866 is pictured in two views, one with the Xs removed and the other enhanced. Still, page 174 Figure 28b describes and pictures a P.08 barrel installed ERMA muzzle protector in the text caption that states: This device fits over the muzzle of a Luger and reportedly protects the barrel rifling at the muzzle from the cleaning rod shaft. Police Lugers by Edward B. Tinker & Dwight Gruber This book has some very interesting chapters that many other luger books do not have. Additionally, it seems incongruous that a 1920s post WW1 manufacture brass stud was added or replaced when clearly period correct brass studs were available as attested by the added brass stud, while the apparent goal was to modify the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve and cover flap to accommodate a Police cleaning rod as the lower replaced brass stud would clearly interfere with the insertion of a Police cleaning rod. The holster front is stamped L.Z.A. However, in 1941, Fraktur was banned in a Schrifterlass (edict on script) signed by Martin Bormann as so-called Schwabacher Judenlettern ("Schwabacher Jewish letters"). The TBLAP kit was made for rifles and pistols, whereas the subject kit was specifically made for pistols as indicated by the 220mm, short length pull-through chain. Any aluminium based or black plastic based magazine (without serial number) would be correct for this gun. Over all good condition. A very similar style of eagle can be found on Gewehr 98 rifles. or Leder Zuweisungs Amt (Leather Allocation Office) over a Prussian Eagle over J. Berlin. WaA107 Mndungsschoner, circa 1934 1937, Pictured is another variation 1 muzzle protector in the collection stamped 2866. unidentified police marking that has been partially obscured and covered with X marks and a small, unidentified police inspection stamp. -techn. As a result, the young police officers are faced with new tasks, which prove to be all the more difficult since the new police not only ward off the risks of political and economic struggles, but above all are supposed to be brought back to their actual previous activities. The subject Police holster E/Mg10 stamping is recognized by collectors as authentic, based on three examples seen on WwMg/41 dated WW2 military issued P08 holsters. It will therefore be easy for all police officers who are familiar with the content of the book to find their way through the reworking without difficulty. Berlin police group. The E/Mg10 is thought to be the inspector stamp or proof marking used at this depot. 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